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04/21/08 11:58 AM
Reading this thread reminds me of the Duke University rape case discussions that were here a while ago !!!! Never fear, MJ and I may disagree on many things but we will always walk away friends.
My stance is more from reading testimonials, seeing interviews and hearing the stories from former members of this cult. They are not allowed to leave the cult, but when they do or when they're excommunicated, they usually end up telling the same stories independently of each other to anyone that will listen - sexual abuse, physical abuse, rupturing of families, neglect, poor living conditions fostered by welfare abuse, stories of abuse of women, children and individuals by cult leaders, etc. When those women come out of that cult and tell us what is actually going on in it (after a lifetime of brainwashing forcing them to "keep sweet" and not speak out), I believe them. I don't think they have a reason to make it up, and the stories have been coming out of this particular group for a long time. Don't interpret this as my advocacy of rampant government intervention in the affairs of strange religious groups. Let's just say that I'm with the former child brides and ex-FLDS members on this one, and other anecdotal and historical evidence - including the leader of the cult being convicted of accomplice to rape of a 14 year old with previous members of the cult being convicted of similar crimes in the past - establishes a pattern of alleged and confirmed abuses by this group that are cause enough to err on the side of the kids and women locked up behind the fences.
My stance is more from reading testimonials, seeing interviews and hearing the stories from former members of this cult. They are not allowed to leave the cult, but when they do or when they're excommunicated, they usually end up telling the same stories independently of each other to anyone that will listen - sexual abuse, physical abuse, rupturing of families, neglect, poor living conditions fostered by welfare abuse, stories of abuse of women, children and individuals by cult leaders, etc.
When those women come out of that cult and tell us what is actually going on in it (after a lifetime of brainwashing forcing them to "keep sweet" and not speak out), I believe them. I don't think they have a reason to make it up, and the stories have been coming out of this particular group for a long time.
Don't interpret this as my advocacy of rampant government intervention in the affairs of strange religious groups. Let's just say that I'm with the former child brides and ex-FLDS members on this one, and other anecdotal and historical evidence - including the leader of the cult being convicted of accomplice to rape of a 14 year old with previous members of the cult being convicted of similar crimes in the past - establishes a pattern of alleged and confirmed abuses by this group that are cause enough to err on the side of the kids and women locked up behind the fences.