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Posts: 34817
05/25/08 7:02 AM
I'm very happy to see you here Sword of Honor. Welcome to GBU! IMNSHO if these were little boys being raped by old men the court would have allowed CPS to keep the children. But since the majority of those being raped are young girls they are turning a blind eye to the pedophilia (what else does one call it when a man of 50 has sex with a girl of 14?) that is obviously running rampant in that compound.
As to the phone call being false, yeah and? Simple basic law enforcement is that if an officer believes there is someone in danger in a dwelling they HAVE the authority to go in same dwelling. In this case there was a phone call made to authorities and it was their duty to investigate the charges made in that call and do so thoroughly.
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TXSammie wrote: I don't know John, what is unconstitutional about saving kids from sexual predators?
It was unconstitutional to remove over 400 children with no proof that they were in physical danger. That is what the law states. And now that they ignored the law they will loose any real evidence that they could have used in the cases where there was sexual abuse. They have even admitted that not all the children were living in homes that practiced polygamy! Hell the fact that there were a number of underage pregnancies is just so much smoke. I could take you into areas of many cities where the number of underage pregnancies is triple that! Are they going to go into those neighborhoods and take all the kids by force?
05/25/08 2:31 PM
I could take you into areas of many cities where the number of underage pregnancies is triple that!
That bunch of people are obviously a cult but it appears most of them are there voluntarily
05/25/08 3:55 PM
Are those pregnancies the result of adult males impregnating underage girls?
The group was still practicing polygamy, which is against the law,
and teaching the children to do the same, at the very least, they could be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor and the men arrested for bigamy.
Cults, brainwash their members, they may THINK they're there voluntarily, but, they're not.
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05/25/08 5:36 PM
waco was a fiasco because of over-reaction,
I don't know how the state could say some homes weren't practicing polygamy when that is the whole premise of that group.
So, you think the state should leave the kids with the group while the courts decide?
That isn't the way it works, when cps goes in, they interview the parents and appraise the situation, if they feel the kids are in danger, they take the kids, put them in a foster home for their safety, then the court process starts.
05/25/08 5:39 PM
TXSammie wrote: Ben, I think that the last I read was, they couldn't charge any adults until dna tests had been run. This could take a loooooooooong time. The only adult that I know of whose been arrested was the cult leader.
And now when the courts throw out those results they will have nothing! It will be the states fault for jumping the gun that there will be no sucessful prosicutions. BTW that cult leader was arrested and convicted long before the raid.
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05/25/08 10:23 PM
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BTW that cult leader was arrested and convicted long before the raid.
Wrong! Fact, there were no interviews with the parents, this was a mass taking of the children! Hell they even screwed up and took adults they thought were kids! They did not even bother to learn those facts!
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Has anybody ever talked to a person raised in one of these places after they grew up? Just askin.
05/26/08 10:27 AM
We still do not know the entirety of the evidence CPS presented to the judge that allowed them to enter that compound and remove those children. We probably will not know the complete information until the entire matter gets resolved.
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05/26/08 4:42 PM
Sure they could do that if they were fools.