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12/06/10 2:14 PM
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TZcTLpC wrote: Repeating myself, I think I've been more than civil to everyone, even those with opinions radically different from my own. If there is something in particular I have done to prompt this comment, let me know. I have not used vulgarity, I have not insulted anyone, and I've yet to be informed in what way I've been "condescending" or snarky. I posted a two sentence and a link response to a two sentence and a link response. Shouldn't you be chastising Dave if this qualifies as inappropriate behavior?
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12/06/10 2:42 PM
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TXSammie wrote:TZcTLpC wrote: Repeating myself, I think I've been more than civil to everyone, even those with opinions radically different from my own. If there is something in particular I have done to prompt this comment, let me know. I have not used vulgarity, I have not insulted anyone, and I've yet to be informed in what way I've been "condescending" or snarky. I posted a two sentence and a link response to a two sentence and a link response. Shouldn't you be chastising Dave if this qualifies as inappropriate behavior? You are civil, but just a tad condescending...."Spare me your demagoguery."We just don't do that here, we can argue back and forth all day long and still be friends, but we aren't condescending or patronizing to each other.There are plenty of boards out there that encourage that, we don't.Your views are interesting and welcome here, even though you landed without even a HI! This board is like your living room, we try to treat everyone like they're guests in our homes, until they get out of hand, then, as you would do in your home, we show them the door.
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12/06/10 10:19 PM
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12/06/10 11:59 PM
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It may be true some people continued making and selling their own liquor after prohibition ended, but in my neck of the woods, alcohol is readily available at the neighborhood liquor store. Thus there is no need to do business with violent criminals and accordingly, the sales and distribution of alcohol isn't controlled by the mob.
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12/07/10 12:57 AM
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12/07/10 6:53 AM
You DO realise that when drugs are legal, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to sell them illegally by virtue of the fact that they'd be legal, right?
12/07/10 7:18 AM
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12/07/10 9:43 AM
TZcTLpC wrote: I will write an actual response in a bit but just to clarify, no, I did not invite Number 6 to this board or even tell him it existed. He is a member of my main forum and I guess he saw the link in my profile activity but who cares? I didn't tell him what to say or ask to him to argue on my behalf. We disagree on lots of things; he's not my goon.
12/07/10 9:44 AM
Dave Munson wrote:Not much credibility in that source, TZ.
Dave Munson wrote:Here in Maine there is an epidemic of illegitimate usage of legal presciption drugs such as Oxycontin, oxycodone, vikodan, and other such prescriptions.My neighbor just tonight told me of some one he knew that overdosed last night on legalised prescription drugs being used illegitimately so what is this "isolated incident" you reference.I am not sure where that "isolated incident" would take place but in many states around the country this is an epidemic.A serious epidemic not an isolated incident.You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about it would seem.
12/07/10 9:45 AM
TXSammie wrote:TZcTLpC wrote: I will write an actual response in a bit but just to clarify, no, I did not invite Number 6 to this board or even tell him it existed. He is a member of my main forum and I guess he saw the link in my profile activity but who cares? I didn't tell him what to say or ask to him to argue on my behalf. We disagree on lots of things; he's not my goon.okay, I'll take your word for that.It's simple TZ, when you arrive on a new board, the polite thing to do is to at least say hello, and comments like "spare me" are equivelant to an at another poster's comments.You seem like a nice guy and you have some opinions that some of us agree with you on, you just seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. How about we start over? Why don't you just tell us a little about yourself, so we know where you're coming from?
12/07/10 9:52 AM
John Hunter wrote: So those that are underage can purchase it from legal sources in your neck of the woods? I think not.
With drugs it would be the same and the legal ones would be at a higher price for users than the illegal.
I see this with cigarettes now. Legalizing them would not stop the cartels from bringing them across the border, it might reduce the profits some but not enough to make it unprofitable.
12/07/10 9:54 AM
Number 6 wrote: Not trying to be condescending, but perhaps you guys could go to a bookstore and purchase a Dictionary. It helps avoid conflagurations like this one.
12/07/10 10:00 AM
TZcTLpC wrote: Dave Munson wrote: Not much credibility in that source, TZ.Fair enough. Here are some others.http://www.barcodesinc.co...eak-argument-logical.htmhttp://www.poynton.com/no...mo/Proof_by_example.htmlhttp://ideas.repec.org/p/wpa/wuwpge/9506001.htmlhttp://www.don-lindsay-ar...g/skeptic/arguments.html Dave Munson wrote: Here in Maine there is an epidemic of illegitimate usage of legal presciption drugs such as Oxycontin, oxycodone, vikodan, and other such prescriptions.My neighbor just tonight told me of some one he knew that overdosed last night on legalised prescription drugs being used illegitimately so what is this "isolated incident" you reference.I am not sure where that "isolated incident" would take place but in many states around the country this is an epidemic.A serious epidemic not an isolated incident.You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about it would seem.You're still basing your argument on anecdotal evidence then making a non-sequitur to reach your conclusion that drugs need to stay illegal. You can do this with anything. I.e., "Look at all the school shootings! We need to make guns illegal!" It's alarmist propaganda. Drug abuse is a serious issue but locking people up for simple possession and personal use is an ineffective means of addressing the problem, to say the least. It doesn't accomplish much outside of tying up our legal system and costing the taxpayers $60k a year per convict incarcerated.To clarify, the positive statement "Drug abuse is a serious problem" is something I agree with. It is a separate thing entirely from the statement "All use is abuse" and neither of these logically precede the statement "The State should criminalize possession of narcotics to further limit our freedoms."
Dave Munson wrote: Not much credibility in that source, TZ.
Dave Munson wrote: Here in Maine there is an epidemic of illegitimate usage of legal presciption drugs such as Oxycontin, oxycodone, vikodan, and other such prescriptions.My neighbor just tonight told me of some one he knew that overdosed last night on legalised prescription drugs being used illegitimately so what is this "isolated incident" you reference.I am not sure where that "isolated incident" would take place but in many states around the country this is an epidemic.A serious epidemic not an isolated incident.You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about it would seem.
12/07/10 10:04 AM
Dave Munson wrote:TZcTLpC wrote: Dave Munson wrote: Not much credibility in that source, TZ.Fair enough. Here are some others.http://www.barcodesinc.co...eak-argument-logical.htmhttp://www.poynton.com/no...mo/Proof_by_example.htmlhttp://ideas.repec.org/p/wpa/wuwpge/9506001.htmlhttp://www.don-lindsay-ar...g/skeptic/arguments.html Dave Munson wrote: Here in Maine there is an epidemic of illegitimate usage of legal presciption drugs such as Oxycontin, oxycodone, vikodan, and other such prescriptions.My neighbor just tonight told me of some one he knew that overdosed last night on legalised prescription drugs being used illegitimately so what is this "isolated incident" you reference.I am not sure where that "isolated incident" would take place but in many states around the country this is an epidemic.A serious epidemic not an isolated incident.You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about it would seem.You're still basing your argument on anecdotal evidence then making a non-sequitur to reach your conclusion that drugs need to stay illegal. You can do this with anything. I.e., "Look at all the school shootings! We need to make guns illegal!" It's alarmist propaganda. Drug abuse is a serious issue but locking people up for simple possession and personal use is an ineffective means of addressing the problem, to say the least. It doesn't accomplish much outside of tying up our legal system and costing the taxpayers $60k a year per convict incarcerated.To clarify, the positive statement "Drug abuse is a serious problem" is something I agree with. It is a separate thing entirely from the statement "All use is abuse" and neither of these logically precede the statement "The State should criminalize possession of narcotics to further limit our freedoms." My point wasn't that all drug use is abuse.It was simply that making drugs legal doesn't stop the abuse of the substances.
As far as pot goes, I don't think it should be illegal and I do not support the propaganda that it's more dangerous then alcohol.We waste far too much money chasing pot smokers.
12/07/10 10:13 AM
"you can't make the statement "if drugs = legal, abuse = rampant."Right and I didn't.What I did was to state the facts that drug use of legal and or illegal drugs is an epidemic.So there's both sides of that coin in play.
12/07/10 10:21 AM
Dave Munson wrote:"you can't make the statement "if drugs = legal, abuse = rampant."Right and I didn't.What I did was to state the facts that drug use of legal and or illegal drugs is an epidemic.So there's both sides of that coin in play.
12/07/10 11:12 AM
12/07/10 11:28 AM
TZcTLpC wrote: TXSammie wrote: TZcTLpC wrote: I will write an actual response in a bit but just to clarify, no, I did not invite Number 6 to this board or even tell him it existed. He is a member of my main forum and I guess he saw the link in my profile activity but who cares? I didn't tell him what to say or ask to him to argue on my behalf. We disagree on lots of things; he's not my goon.okay, I'll take your word for that.It's simple TZ, when you arrive on a new board, the polite thing to do is to at least say hello, and comments like "spare me" are equivelant to an at another poster's comments.You seem like a nice guy and you have some opinions that some of us agree with you on, you just seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. How about we start over? Why don't you just tell us a little about yourself, so we know where you're coming from? Yes, I understand your gripes and I apologize for my gruff manner. I am a New Yorker, born and raised, and we tend to have that effect on people.I intend to make a proper introduction thread as soon as I'm done here.
TXSammie wrote: TZcTLpC wrote: I will write an actual response in a bit but just to clarify, no, I did not invite Number 6 to this board or even tell him it existed. He is a member of my main forum and I guess he saw the link in my profile activity but who cares? I didn't tell him what to say or ask to him to argue on my behalf. We disagree on lots of things; he's not my goon.okay, I'll take your word for that.It's simple TZ, when you arrive on a new board, the polite thing to do is to at least say hello, and comments like "spare me" are equivelant to an at another poster's comments.You seem like a nice guy and you have some opinions that some of us agree with you on, you just seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. How about we start over? Why don't you just tell us a little about yourself, so we know where you're coming from?
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12/07/10 10:33 PM